2020 Simulator User Group week #16 summary

Lake NumB, February 2020 – blog post

The following notes were taken at the Simulator User Group meeting held on Tuesday, April 14th.

Simulator Deployments

Please refer to the simulator deployment thread for updates.

  • On Tuesday, April 14th, the majority of the grid was updated to server maintenance update 539684, previously deployed to an RC channel on April7th, and comprising:
    • BUG-228417 Emails created by llTargetedEmail() in deeded objects show owner as NULL_KEY in the received email metadata.
    • BUG-228412 Emails created by llTargetedEmail() are missing header info in the received email.
    • SL-12941 Disable TARGETED_EMAIL_ROOT_CREATOR in llTargetedEmail
    • SL-11502 New LSL function llTargetedEmail
    • BUG-226917 EEP Environment, New Sky should default to midday and not 6pm
    • BUG-226737 [EEP] The ‘get parcel_dayoffset’ request returns the value of the ‘parcel daylength’ parameter in the Region Debug Console.
  • On Wednesday, April 15th, two RC deployment should take place:
    • 540032 – containing infrastructure updates related to the cloud migration.
    • 540037 – containing fixes for the just released name changes after it was discovered the feature could, in a couple of places still call you by your former name for up to a week (“oops!”, as the Lab put it), and assorted internal changes.

SL Viewer

At the time of writing, there had been no updates to the current crop of official viewers to mark the start of the week, leaving the current official viewer pipelines as follows:

  • Current Release version  version 6.3.8.538264, dated March 12, promoted March 18th. Formerly the Premium RC viewer – No change.
  • Release channel cohorts:
    • Camera Presets RC viewer, version 6.3.9.538729 March 25.
    • Love Me Render RC viewer, version 6.3.9.538760, March 25.
    • EEP RC viewer updated to version 6.4.0.538823, March 20.
    • Zirbenz Maintenance RC viewer, version 6.3.9.538719, issued March 19.
  • Project viewers:
    • Copy / Paste viewer, version 6.3.5.533365, December 9, 2019.
    • Project Muscadine (Animesh follow-on) project viewer, version 6.4.0.532999, November 22, 2019.
    • Legacy Profiles viewer, version 6.3.2.530836, September 17, 2019. Covers the re-integration of Viewer Profiles.
    • 360 Snapshot project viewer, version 6.2.4.529111, July 16, 2019.

Group Chat

With the general increase in user concurrency, issues are being experienced with group chat (general slowness, sent messages failing, etc). Commenting on the situation, Simon Linden said:

Group chat traffic grows in “interesting” mathematical ways … a single person will have X number of groups, and thus joins them all and increases the number of people in the group. That multiplies out as groups get larger so a single message goes to more people … it’s not linear. Add in the updates on people coming on-line or logging off and it bogs down –  and yes, we’ve done some work on it and want to get time for more.

A factor that’s likely contributing to the issue is that the plan to cut back on the number of group update messages created when users log-on  / log-off of Second Life was actually curtailed, with Simon also noting:

[There was] some pretty strong push-back that managers need that info … so it got more complicated about who should get what messages when, and the project went back on the shelf. But you can imagine the math … if you have a group with about 10 people on-line, every once in a while someone joins or leaves, and about 10 updates have to be sent out. Put 1000 people in a group … people are coming and going all the time, and 1000 updates have to go out if everyone needs to know

And yes – there are some different ways it can be fixed. The real issue is people getting upset if they can’t do something any more, and finding that magic spot where it works right for those that need the feature, and not a load slowing down chat for everyone

2020 Simulator User Group week #15 summary

Aoshima, February 2020 – blog post

The following notes were taken at the Simulator User Group meeting held on Tuesday, April 7th.

Simulator Deployments

Please refer to the simulator deployment thread for updates.

  • There was no deployment to the grid on Tuesday, April 7th, 2020, leaving the majority of regions running simulator version 538914, containing support for the upcoming mobile companion applications (see: Second Life companion app: mini update, March 2020).
  • On Wednesday, April 8th, there should be two RC updates:
    • Simulator release 539362, containing infrastructure improvements related to the cloud uplift.
    • Simulator release 539684, containing the following:
      • BUG-228417 Emails created by llTargetedEmail() in deeded objects show owner as NULL_KEY in the received email metadata.
      • BUG-228412 Emails created by llTargetedEmail() are missing header info in the received email.
      • SL-12941 Disable TARGETED_EMAIL_ROOT_CREATOR in llTargetedEmail
      • SL-11502 New LSL function llTargetedEmail
      • BUG-226917 EEP Environment, New Sky should default to midday and not 6pm
      • BUG-226737 [EEP] The ‘get parcel_dayoffset’ request returns the value of the ‘parcel daylength’ parameter in the Region Debug Console.

SL Viewer

There have been no updates to the current crop of official viewers to mark the start of the week, leaving the current pipelines as follows:

  • Current Release version  version 6.3.8.538264, dated March 12, promoted March 18th. Formerly the Premium RC viewer – No change.
  • Release channel cohorts:
    • Camera Presets RC viewer, version 6.3.9.538729 March 25.
    • Love Me Render RC viewer, version 6.3.9.538760, March 25.
    • EEP RC viewer updated to version 6.4.0.538823, March 20.
    • Zirbenz Maintenance RC viewer, version 6.3.9.538719, issued March 19.
  • Project viewers:
    • Copy / Paste viewer, version 6.3.5.533365, December 9, 2019.
    • Project Muscadine (Animesh follow-on) project viewer, version 6.4.0.532999, November 22, 2019.
    • Legacy Profiles viewer, version 6.3.2.530836, September 17, 2019. Covers the re-integration of Viewer Profiles.
    • 360 Snapshot project viewer, version 6.2.4.529111, July 16, 2019.

In Brief

With work progressing on the cloud uplift, some concern has been raised by those using external services and HTTP calls to / from the simulators once the latter start to be transitioned and have their domains changed.

While in-world object URLs are dynamic, it’s been suggested that some use external services use URL validation with hard-coded domain names (e.g. “http://sim10446.agni.lindenlab.com….”) in response to issues, and will therefore need a formal warning of URL changes as a result of domain changes. Given this approach is not recommended, the fact that LL will start to transition simulators to AWS services later in 2020 should be taken as fair warning that such validation checks will break. However, for those with concerns:

  • Aditi (the beta grid) will be transitioned first, allowing scripts, external calls, etc., to be tested.
  • With respect to this issue,  llHTTP on the wiki will be updated to reflect domain changes and HTTP call requirements.

2020 Simulator User Group week #14 summary

Villa Eirini, Calas Galadhon, February 2020 – blog post

The following notes were taken at the Simulator User Group meeting held on Tuesday, March 31st.

Simulator Deployments

Please refer to the simulator deployment thread for updates.

llTargetedEmail() Concerns

The llTargetedEmail() function has caused concern among users, partially due to a lack of any forewarning to users.  Specific concerns that have been raised since the deployment thread was published, with concerns such as the following being raised:

Example then. If someone make 10 alts, then get an item created by me that is modifiable (from Marketplace for example) and drop a script with TARGETED_EMAIL_ROOT_CREATOR in it that sends mails in loop… Even with 20 seconds delay that’s 3 emails per minute. 180 emails per hour. Per user. With 10 alts it’s almost 2000 messages per hour on my mailbox. Because owner of said alts can spam my mailbox via Lab’s servers without even knowing my SL-only email address for getting emails from grid.

In response to seeing these issues, Oz Linden stated at the SUG meeting:

That function was added as part of an ongoing effort to clean up how we send emails from SL… we wanted a way to send some of the emails that creators might want without having to have people put email addresses into scripts. It sends to whatever address you’ve verified. The concerns about the ROOT_CREATOR version are being discussed; exactly what we’ll do about that remains to be seen, but we’ll try hard to make it difficult to abuse.

In Brief

  • BUG-228399 “Script deletion disables vehicle controls until re-rez” appears to be an issue arising from a recent simulator update. The cause for the problem isn’t currently known, but the report has been imported by the Lab to their internal Jira for investigation.
  • BUG-228405 “Residents attempting to log into any region which use an SL Experience for access (Key Experience) get sent to welcome hub despite having allowed the SL Experience”. This appears to be the result of a region /parcel with access control via an experience removing an avatar that is being logged-in prior to all of the avatar’s data (including its permission to be in the region / parcel) having loaded – thus causing the region to assume avatar is not supposed to be there. It is an issue known to the Lab.

2020 Simulator User Group week #13 summary

Kindred Spirit, February 2020 – blog post

The following notes were taken at the Simulator User Group meeting held on Tuesday, March 24th. Not a lot to report as an equinox party took priority at the meeting.

Simulator Deployments

Please refer to the simulator deployment thread for updates.

  • On Tuesday, March 24th, the majority of the grid (the SLS “main” channel) updated to simulator version 538605, containing fixes for object_rez timing in scripts.
    • This update does not change the on_rez delay, but adds code that will ensure that the object_rez messages are not lost.
  • An RC deployment is pending for Wednesday, March 25th, but details were TBA at the time of writing this summary, so please refer to the deployment thread for updates

SL Viewer

There have been no viewer updates to mark the start of the week to leave the official viewer pipelines as follows:

  • Current Release version  version 6.3.8.538264, dated March 12, promoted March 18th. Formerly the Premium RC viewer.
  • Release channel cohorts:
    • EEP RC viewer updated to version 6.4.0.538823, March 20th.
    • Zirbenz Maintenance RC viewer, version 6.3.9.538719, issued March 19th.
    • Love Me Render RC viewer, version 6.3.7.536179, February 10th.
    • Camera Presets RC viewer, version 6.3.6.535138, January 24th.
  • Project viewers:
    • Copy / Paste viewer, version 6.3.5.533365, December 9th, 2019.
    • Project Muscadine (Animesh follow-on) project viewer, version 6.4.0.532999, November 22nd, 2019.
    • Legacy Profiles viewer, version 6.3.2.530836, September 17th, 2019. Covers the re-integration of Viewer Profiles.
    • 360 Snapshot project viewer, version 6.2.4.529111, July 16th, 2019.

 

2020 Simulator User Group week #12 summary

Enchantment! @ LeLoo’s World, January 2020 – blog post

The following notes were taken at the Simulator User Group meeting held on Tuesday, March 3rd.

Simulator Deployments

Please refer to the simulator deployment thread for updates.

  • On Tuesday, March 17th, the majority of the grid (the SLS “main” channel) updated to simulator version 538236, containing internal fixes, as previously deployed to a selection of RC servers.
  • An RC deployment is pending for Wednesday, March 18th, but details were TBA at the time of writing this summary. This update will apparently replace versions 538236, and 538222, both previously deployed to RC servers (March 11th).

Continuing Object Rezzing Issues

The object rezzing issues (see: Potential showstopping bug on many mainland regions. Anyone else experienced this?) is becoming more noticeable.Commenting on the situation, Rider Linden believes he may have a is resolution for the issue, stating:

I believe I was able to isolate what was going on with object rez and I think I have a solution for it. It should roll on Magnum.

This deployment should be part of the RC rollouts on Wednesday, March 17th.

SL Viewer

There have been no viewer updates to mark the start of the week to leave the official viewer pipelines as follows:

  • Current Release version 6.3.7.535996, formerly the Yorsh Maintenance RC, dated February 7, promoted February 20th.
  • Release channel cohorts:
    • Premium RC viewer, version 6.3.8.538264, March 12.
    • EEP RC viewer updated to version 6.4.0.536347, February 11.
    • Love Me Render RC viewer, version 6.3.7.536179, February 10.
    • Camera Presets RC viewer, version 6.3.6.535138, January 24.
  • Project viewers:
    • Copy / Paste viewer, version 6.3.5.533365, December 9, 2019.
    • Project Muscadine (Animesh follow-on) project viewer, version 6.4.0.532999, November 22, 2019.
    • Legacy Profiles viewer, version 6.3.2.530836, September 17, 2019. Covers the re-integration of Viewer Profiles.
    • 360 Snapshot project viewer, version 6.2.4.529111, July 16, 2019.

iOS Client

Simulator update 538222 (March 10th) saw the first deployment of code specifically in support of the upcoming iOS client, suggesting that the indicated testing period for the client may be approaching (although there are no details as yet on what form any such testing will take, and  / or if users will be asked to offer feedback).

The last detailed summary I have for the client can bee found in Second Life iOS companion app – mini update, and a key bullet point summary for the initial release could be said to be:

  • The app should initially be regarded as more of a communicator / companion app than a fully-rounded client:
  • It will provide a log-in option, and chat options (e.g. IM, group chat). Local chat will not initially be supported.
  • It will not present you with an in-world location, nor will your avatar rez in-world.
  • Seen as being useful for merchants / business owners to maintain contact with customers when away from their viewer.
  • In theory, the app should work with both iPhones and iPads, although there may be some configuration differences.

Over time it will be enhanced – but additional capabilities are still TBD.

2020 Simulator User Group week #11 summary

The Dream of Asia, January 2020 – blog post

The following notes were taken at the Simulator User Group meeting held on Tuesday, March 3rd.

Simulator Deployments

Please refer to the simulator deployment thread for updates.

  • On Tuesday, March 10th, the majority of the grid (the SLS “main” channel) updates to server release 537423, primarily focusing on improvements to make rolling the grid more gentle on the Lab’s non-simulator servers.
    • This update has some changes that may help improve vehicular-based  / physical region crossings. People are asked to check & report.
  • An RC deployment is pending for Wednesday, March 11th, but details were TBA at the time of writing this summary. According to Simon Linden, the update shouldn’t contain any user-visible changes.

Continuing Object Rezzing Issues

There continue to be reports of on-going object rezzing issues (reported and noted in past SUG meetings), some of which appear to be specifically tied to the 53743 release whilst on an RC deployment (see: Potential showstopping bug on many mainland regions. Anyone else experienced this?). The issue is again being complicated in that it cannot be easily tied to simulators specifically on that release, because – as some of the comments on the thread note – the possibly offending script calls do not misbehave consistently between different regions on the same channel / release. 

No update was provided at the SUG meeting, but within the thread, Mazidox Linden notes:

Just to chime in here that we’re aware of this issue (as mentioned up-thread it’s not particularly new unfortunately, dating back to late last year), and using the latest information you all have provided we’re able to confirm that the issue under discussion (object_rez events never fire) reproduces in the regions mentioned, but work fine in other regions running the same code. We’re not sure why that is just yet, but we’re going to do our darnedest to find out and get a fix for this behaviour in your hands as quick as we can.

Some people have also reported of a return of breedable issues which may (or may not be) related to this problem. In short, if you are seeing issues with scripted object rezzing – file a Jira.

SL Viewer

There have been no viewer updates to mark the start of the week to leave the official viewer pipelines as follows:

  • Current Release version 6.3.7.535996, formerly the Yorsh Maintenance RC, dated February 7th, promoted February 20th – No Change.
  • Release channel cohorts:
    • Premium RC viewer, version 6.3.8.537335, released March 3rd.
    • EEP RC viewer updated to version 6.4.0.536347, February 11th.
    • Love Me Render RC viewer, version 6.3.7.536179, February 10th.
    • Camera Presets RC viewer, version 6.3.6.535138, January 24th.
  • Project viewers:
    • Copy / Paste viewer, version 6.3.5.533365, December 9th, 2019.
    • Project Muscadine (Animesh follow-on) project viewer, version 6.4.0.532999, November 22nd, 2019.
    • Legacy Profiles viewer, version 6.3.2.530836, September 17th, 2019. Covers the re-integration of Viewer Profiles.
    • 360 Snapshot project viewer, version 6.2.4.529111, July 16th, 2019.