2020 TPVD meetings week #8 summary

Valium Creek, January 2020 – blog post

The following notes are taken from the TPV Developer meeting held on February 21st, 2020. No video this time around, as Pantera was unable to attend, so the notes are taken from my audio recording of the meeting.

SL Viewer News

  • The Yorsh Maintenance RC viewer, version and dated February 7th, was updated to de facto release status on Thursday, February 20th.

The remainder of the current SL viewer pipelines are as follows:

  • Release channel cohorts (please see my notes on manually installing RC viewer versions if you wish to install any release candidate(s) yourself):
    • EEP RC viewer updated to version, February 11.
    • Love Me Render RC viewer, version, February 10.
    • Camera Presets RC viewer, version, January 24.
  • Project viewers:
    • Copy / Paste viewer, version, December 9, 2019.
    • Project Muscadine (Animesh follow-on) project viewer, version, November 22, 2019.
    • Legacy Profiles viewer, version, September 17, 2019. Covers the re-integration of Viewer Profiles.
    • 360 Snapshot project viewer, version, July 16, 2019.

General Viewer Notes

  • The next potential view promotion to release status is seen as being EEP, with Vir indicating that LL do not plan to promote any other viewer prior to EEP, unless there is a significant blocker.
  • After EEP, the next likely candidate for promotion is currently the Lover Me Render viewer.
  • The new Premium Plus subscription viewer-side code updates will soon be appearing in an RC. This is a set of log-in code changes required for easier management of values, etc., set for different Premium levels. At this point, the code will not interfere with anything.
  • The Camera Presets RC viewer is having some additional UI work done as a result of it experiencing a higher than average crash rate.

EEP Status and Deployment

As per Ebbe Altberg’s comments during the Lab Gab session of February 21st (see: for the video and a bullet-point summary), and the notes above, EEP will be moving to official release status very soon. With it comes notice from the Lab – with apologies –  that:

  • It is no longer a goal with EEP to make all environments across Second Life appear *exactly* as they do under Windlight.
  • Because of this, some content may look different under EEP lighting than it does under Windlight.
  • This means some region designers and some content creators may have to make adjustments to their region environments  / their content for optimal viewing with EEP.
  • There will be some known issues with EEP when it is released, but the belief is that these will be minor.
  • There will be fixes for rendering issues following EEP, mostly likely through the Love Me Render project.
  • If there are what LL consider to be “significant” breakages, then effort will be made to address these.

Ebbe’s comment on EEP can by heard between 44:10 and 46:45 in the official video of the Lab Gab session.

In Brief

  • BUG-228227: “Avatar face darkens when sitting on an object” – this is a lighting-related issue that appears to have been introduced with viewer release (formerly the Xanté RC viewer). It is a known issue and a fix should be appearing in the next maintenance viewer which should hopefully resolve the majority of these issues.
  • BUG-227179 – “All offline inventory offers from scripted objects are STILL lost” – remains an issue, but an internal request has been made to raise the priority so that investigation and resolution might move forward sooner rather than later.
  • It is hoped that the viewer caching work will reach project viewer status fairly soon.
  • There is a known issue of the viewer release pages and index not updating correctly to reflect the current status of viewers (e.g. at the time of writing, is still listed as the default release viewer, when in fact it is

2 thoughts on “2020 TPVD meetings week #8 summary

  1. off line inventory offers get LOST with EEP viewer and Ebbe says suck it up? So he’s butt-hurt his Sansar is toast, now he wants to kill SL?


    1. That’s something of an inaccurate assumption.

      • Ebbe’s comments re EEP, were purely in reference to possible differences that might be seen in viewing certain environments when rendered by the EEP code (once this has reached all viewers) and how they appear when rendered in non-EEP viewers, with a note that some content might also appear different as a result. The decision not to continue trying to get an exact a like-for-like rendering for every environment / lighting situation has been taken because of the amount of effort / time it would add to the project, preventing other graphics work from moving forward.
      • Offline inventory offers are a known issue that exists independently of EEP (as per bug reports like BUG-227179 and before it BUG-225696, for example).



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